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  • Bob_Mackenzie
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    • 2022
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    Slagordenen fra marinen 1983 (Navy Order of Battle 1983)

    Jeg jobber med et marinespill satt i 1983. Jeg har følgende kamprekkefølge for marinen. Jeg er sikker på at den ikke er perfekt og tar gjerne imot eventuelle rettelser.

    Takk

    Bob​

    I am working on a naval game set in 1983. I have the following order of battle for the Navy. I am sure its not perfect and would welcome any corrections.

    Thanks

    Bob

    D+x indikerer min beste gjetning på dagen etter en krig som startet at enheten ville bli mobilisert

    Vennligst ignorer de 4-sifrede tallene​

    D+x indicates my best guess at the day after a war starting that the unit would be be mobilised

    please ignore the 4 digit numbers​

    Barents Sea Group (D+0)
    2 Kobben
    Northern Reserve Submarine Olavsvem (Tromso, 3311)(D-3)
    1 Kobben
    1 Frigate Division -Haakonsvern (Day 4 Bergen 3906) (D+4)
    2 Oslo
    2 Frigate Division (-) -Haakonsvern (Bergen 3906) (D+0)
    2 Oslo
    1 Corvette Division - Haakonsvern (Day 4 Bergen 3906)(D+4)
    2 Sleipner
    1 UVB Squadron - Haakonsvern (Bergen 3906) (D-1)
    5 Kobben
    2 UVB Squadron - Olavsvem (Day 3 Tromso, 3311)
    2 Kobben
    21 MTB Squadron – Haakonsvern (Bergen 3906)
    Hauk Flotilla[1]
    22 MTB Squadron– Olavsvem (within 6 hexes of Tromso, 3311) (D-3)
    Hauk Flotilla
    23 MTB Squadron Olavsvem (Day 4 Tromso, 3311) (D+4)
    Hauk Flotilla
    24 MTB Squadron Haakonsvern (Day 4 Bergen 3906) (D+4)
    Hauk Flotilla
    25 MTB Squadron Haakonsvern (Day 7 Bergen 3906) (D+7)
    Hauk Flotilla
    26 MTB Squadron Haakonsvern (Day 7 Bergen 3906)(D+7)
    Hauk Flotilla
    27 MTB Squadron (Home Guard Reserve) Karljohansvern (Horten, (near Oslo) off map)[2] (D+7)
    Tjeld Flotilla[3]
    30 Squadron Haakonsvern (Day 4 Bergen 3906) (D+4)
    1 Horten (Supply ship)
    [1] Flotillas are 5 boats. Some may have a mix of Hauk and Storm Classes.
    [2] Tasked for local defence of the Oslofjord area,
    [3] 6 boats

    ​​
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    • Eeo
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      • 2008
      • 2708
      #2
      Give me until tonight, and I'll drag out some books and give you a best estimate.
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        • hvlt
          OF-2 Kaptein
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          • 2006
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          #3
          In the following publication:

          https://fhs.brage.unit.no/fhs-xmlui/bitstream/handle/11250/99435/OF_4_2011_innhold.pdf?sequence=1&is Allowed=y

          Page 85 - 106, is what is claimed to be a complete inventory of all vessels the Norwegian Navy had in the years 1960 - 1990. The year in the first column (Sjøsatt) is year launched, and in the second column (Utrangert) is the year decommissioned, so the vessels launched before 1983 and decommissioned after 1983 should be the ones of relevance.
          At sauene vedtar at alle skal leve av gress hjelper dem lite hvis ikke ulvene er enige.
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            • Eeo
              OF-1 Løytnant
              Veteran
              • 2008
              • 2708
              #4
              See below for a list of commissioned warships and coast guard vessels per 1983, as compiled in Terjesen, Bjørn, Tom Kristiansen, og Roald Gjelsten. Sjøforsvaret i krig og fred: langs kysten og på havet gjennom 200 år. Bergen: Fagbokforlaget, 2010:

              ROYAL NORWEGIAN NAVY

              x5 OSLO-class Frigate (1745 DWT; 1x2 US 3-inch, x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA, 2x1 20MM Rheinmetal AAA, 2x3 324MM ASW torpedo launchers, x4 Penguin SSM, x1 Sea Sparrow SAM launcher, Kongsberg Terne ASW Mortar; commissioned between 1964-1966)
              • KNM Oslo F300
              • KNM Bergen F301
              • KNM Trondheim F302
              • KNM Stavanger F303
              • KNM Narvik F304

              x2 SLEIPNER-class Corvette (780 DWT; 1x2 US 3-inch, x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA, 2x3 324MM ASW torpedo launchers; commissioned between 1963-1965)
              • KNM Sleipner F310
              • KNM Æger F311

              x14 KOBBEN-class Submarine (438 DWT; x8 533MM heavyweight torpedo tubes; commissioned between 1964-1967)
              • KNM Kya S317
              • KNM Kobben S318
              • KNM Kunna S319
              • KNM Kaura S315
              • KNM Ula S300
              • KNM Utsira S301
              • KNM Utstein S302
              • KNM Utvær S303
              • KNM Uthaug S304
              • KNM Sklinna S305
              • KNM Skolpen S306
              • KNM Stadt S307
              • KNM Stord S308
              • KNM Svenner S309

              x18 STORM-class Fast Patrol Boat (125 DWT; x1 75MM Bofors TAK-75 naval rifle, x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA, x6 Penguin SSM; commissioned between 1965-1967)
              • KNM Blink P961
              • KNM Glimt P962
              • KNM Trygg P964
              • KNM Skjold P965
              • KNM Kjekk P966
              • KNM Skudd P967
              • KNM Arg P968
              • KNM Steil P969
              • KNM Brann P970
              • KNM Tross P971
              • KNM Hvass P972
              • KNM Traust P973
              • KNM Brott P974
              • KNM Odd P975
              • KNM Pil P976
              • KNM Brask P977
              • KNM Gnist P979
              • KNM Storm P960 (decommissioned 1983)

              x6 SNØGG-class Fast Patrol Boats (145 DWT; x4 533MM heavyweight torpedo tubes, x1 40MM Bofors L/70 AAA, x4 Penguin SSM; commissioned between 1969-1970)
              • KNM Snøgg P980
              • KNM Rapp P981
              • KNM Snar P982
              • KNM Rask P983
              • KNM Kvikk P984
              • KNM Kjapp P985

              x14 HAUK-class Fast Patrol Boats (150 DWT; x2 533MM heavyweight torpedo tubes, x1 40MM Bofors L/70 AAA, x6 Penguin SSM; commissioned between 1977-1980)
              • KNM Hauk P986
              • KNM Ørn P987
              • KNM Terne P988
              • KNM Tjeld P989
              • KNM Skarv P990
              • KNM Teist P991
              • KNM Jo P992
              • KNM Lom P993
              • KNM Stegg P994
              • KNM Falk P995
              • KNM Ravn P996
              • KNM Gribb P997
              • KNM Geir P998
              • KNM Erle P999

              x8 TJELD-class Torpedo Boat (82 DWT; x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA, x1 20MM Oerlikon AAA, x4 533MM heavyweight torpedo tubes; commissioned between 1959-1964, to reserve 27 FPB SQN manned by Naval Home Guard in 1982. Remainder of class decommissioned 1981)
              • KNM Delfin P388 (ex-Gribb, renamed 1981)
              • KNM Hai
              • KNM
              • KNM
              • KNM
              • KNM
              • KNM
              • KNM
              • KNM

              x2 VIDAR-class Minelayer (1673 DWT; x2 40MM Bofors L/70 AAA, 2x3 324MM ASW torpedo launcher, up to 400 naval mines; commissioned 1977)
              • KNM Vidar N52
              • KNM Vale N53

              x1 BORGEN-class Minelayer/Minefield Control Ship (282 DWT; x1 20MM AAA; commissioned 1960)
              • KNM Borgen N51

              x6 SAUDA-class Minesweeper (384 DWT; 1x2 20MM Oerlikon AAA; commissioned between 1952-1955)
              • KNM Sira M312
              • KNM Vosso M316
              • KNM Utla M334
              • KNM Tana M313 (converted 1980 to minehunter)
              • KNM Alta M314
              • KNM Glomma M317

              x2 KVALSUND-class Landing Ship Utility (595 DWT; x2 20MM AAA, commissioned 1968)
              • KNM Kvalsund L4500 (manned by Naval Home Guard)
              • KNM Raftsund L4501 (manned by Naval Home Guard)

              x5 REINØYSUND-class Landing Ship Utility (595 DWT; x3 20MM Rheinmetal AAA, commissioned 1970-1972)
              • KNM Reinøysund L4502
              • KNM Sørøysund L4503
              • KNM Maursund L4504
              • KNM Rotsund L4505
              • KNM Borgsund L4506

              x1 HORTEN-class Depot Ship (2530 DWT; x2 40MM Bofors L/70 AAA, depth charges; commissioned 1977)
              • KNM Horten A530

              x2 SARPEN-class Depot Ship (250 DWT; x2 12.7MM heavy machine guns; commissioned 1972)
              • KNM Sarpen A531
              • KNM Draug A532

              x2 VIGRA-class Navigation Training Ship (39 DWT; x1 12.7MM heavy machine gun; commissioned 1978)
              • KNM Vigra A539
              • KNM Hessa A538


              COAST GUARD

              x3 NORDKAPP-class Ocean Patrol Vessel (3200 DWT; x1 57MM Bofors naval gun, x4 20MM AAA, 2x3 324MM ASW torpedo launchers, depth charges; commissioned 1981-1982)
              • KV Nordkapp W320
              • KV Senja W321
              • KV Andenes W322

              x3 NORNEN-class Patrol Ship (500 DWT; x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA; commissioned 1962)
              • KV Nornen W300
              • KV Farm W301
              • KV Heimdal W302

              x8 Chartered Patrol Ships (typically x1 40MM Bofors L/60 AAA)
              • KV Lance W311
              • KV Møgsterfjord W313
              • KV Stålbas W314
              • KV Nordsjøbas W315
              • KV Volstad Junior W316
              • KV Lafjord W317
              • KV Garpeskjær W318
              • KV Chieftain W319

              ​
              ​
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                • Eeo
                  OF-1 Løytnant
                  Veteran
                  • 2008
                  • 2708
                  #5
                  See the links for attached photos for the fully mobilized Royal Norwegian Navy including coastal artillery and land organization per the 1982 war mobilization records, as compiled by the Norwegian Naval Museum in Horten and photographed by myself in 2016:
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                    • Bob_Mackenzie
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                      • 8
                      #6
                      Tusen takk for at du tok deg tid til å legge ut, det siste innlegget ser spesielt nyttig ut
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                        • orjant
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                          • 2023
                          • 44
                          #7
                          Jeg jobber med ett spill/simulator selv. Vil du dele noe mer info? Jeg har begynt å se på sjø, men min kompetanse er hær. Bruker Unreal Engine. Ta kontakt dersom det er noe spennende.

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                            • Bob_Mackenzie
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                              Begynner å se gjennom den utmerkede informasjonen. De fleste tabellene kan jeg regne ut, men hva er SHV i "Andre fartøy / SHV" takk.

                              Starting to look through the xcellent information. Most of the tables I can work out, but what is SHV in "Other vessels / SHV" please.

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                                • struksa
                                  OR-6 Oversersjant
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                                  • 2007
                                  • 1415
                                  #9
                                  Sjøheimevernet, eller Sea Home Guard på engelsk.

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                                    • Znuddel
                                      OF-2 Kaptein
                                      Log.off. (S-4)

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                                      • 2004
                                      • 14784
                                      #10
                                      Sjøheimevernet – Wikipedia
                                      https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sj%C3%B8heimevernet
                                      The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.
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                                        • Rittmester
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                                          Pers.off. (S-1)

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                                          #11
                                          If you look at the first image in post #5, the second table ("Marinens fartøy og mannskaper ØSD"), you'll see three columns - Faste fartøy, rekvirerte fartøy, SHV-fartøy.
                                          "Faste fartøy" are regular naval vessels like KS Norge (the royal yacht).
                                          "Rekvirerte fartøy" are requisitioned vessels, e.g. the three listed in the row "Minelegger" (minelayer), which I assume are the three civilian ferries between Horten and Moss, with equipment to assume duties as minelayers in a crisis/war.
                                          And lastly, "SHV-fartøy" would usually be fishing boats, in this case 74 of them, used for observation/surveillance and other tasks. They could typically be armed with a heavy machine gun.
                                          Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
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                                            • GabSlo
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                                              • 2020
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                                              I denne perioden var en rekke andre sivile ferger over hele landet som var mobiliseringsdisponert og kanskje noe forberedet til å være mineleggere.
                                              Det var også større ferger og passasjerbåter som var mobiliseringsdisponert til hospitalskip.​

                                              During this period, there were a number of other civilian ferries across the country that were mobilized and perhaps somewhat prepared to be minelayers.
                                              There were also larger ferries and passenger boats that were mobilized as hospital ships.​

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                                                • Bob_Mackenzie
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                                                  Takk for svarene, de er til stor hjelp

                                                  Er det noen som har en idé om hvor raskt mobiliseringsseilerne kan være om bord på skipene sine og skipene kan seile?​

                                                  Thanks for the answers, they are most helpful

                                                  Does anyone have an idea how quickly the mobilisation sailors can be on board their ships and the ships can sail?​

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                                                    • Rittmester
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                                                      I don't know the official figures, but I know that at least some of the SHV fishing vessels were manned by their ordinary crew. In that case it would only be a matter of putting on their uniforms and getting their rifles, which they had stored at home. So, maybe a few hours, although I guess they would then have to sail to a central site to load heavier weapons and other equipment. In any case, less than 24 hours would be a good estimate.
                                                      Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
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                                                        • Bob_Mackenzie
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                                                          Et spørsmål til. AA-kanonene på kystfortene. De få referansene jeg har sett viser disse som 20 mm kanoner. Var de alle 20 mm kanoner eller var noen bevæpnet med 40 mm?

                                                          One more question please. The AA guns on the coastal forts. The few references I have seen show these as 20mm guns. Were they all 20mm guns or were some armed with 40mm?

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                                                            • Znuddel
                                                              OF-2 Kaptein
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                                                              • 2004
                                                              • 14784
                                                              #16
                                                              Du kan få slippe å skrive på både norsk og engelsk.

                                                              De aller fleste her inne forstår engelsk like godt som norsk.
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                                                                • hvlt
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Both, 20 mm and 40 mm. Most forts had both.
                                                                  At sauene vedtar at alle skal leve av gress hjelper dem lite hvis ikke ulvene er enige.
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                                                                    • Bob_Mackenzie
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      Thank you

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                                                                        • Eeo
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                                                                          • 2008
                                                                          • 2708
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Towards the end of the Cold War, the coastal forts also had RBS-70 short-range SAM launchers complementing the AAA. I'm not sure if they had this in 1983 though.
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